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ipe hardwood and carpenter bees

May 3, 2010 by admin

I am a professional woodworker and am trying to help a client with a serious carpenter bee infestation.  Based on what I have read on your very informative site, I know personally that Demise works great.  I am concerned that the client’s deck is too far gone and needs to be replaced.  I have suggested IPE as a very good replaement wood because of it hardness. Do you know if carpenter bees can attack IPE?  I have some benches that I made on their deck made from Iroke, which is much harder that pine but not as hard as IPE.  The benches have not been damaged by the bees.

It will be a big investment for them so I want to have as much confidence in my recommendation as possible. Thanks for your help.

I can’t say I’ve any specific information or data concerning the use of IPE over standard pine, redwood or cedar. However, I can tell you what I’ve seen happen over the years regarding carpenter bee infestations. In general, my observations reflect a result which is based more on the general state of the wood involved and not so much the species. Let me explain.

For one thing, carpenter bees do a good job at locating weak wood. What I mean by weak is the wood is seemingly in a state lending itself to easy to access. For carpenter bees, easy access generally means untreated and vulnerable. No doubt a good layer of paint is a kind of protectant and wood which is painted is less likely to be drilled compared to wood which is unfinished. Stronger still and less likely to fall under attack by carpenter bees is wood which is both painted and treated with either MAXXTHOR EC or INSECT REPELLENT. No doubt either treatment on painted or unpainted wood will stop any nests from happening for sure when kept active and done “in season”.

So to answer your question; I don’t think the species of wood is nearly as important as the condition of the wood itself. In this case, if you were to install IPE and the local bees found a weak spot, I’m sure they’ll take advantage. I recently observed a pile of rough sawn hardwood – mostly oak and hickory – that lay in a giant pile in the woods. the logs were squared and stacked 10 feet high; each log was 10 feet long. This was quite a valuable stock of logs and one you would imagine should be quite resilient to the common wood predators such as carpenter bees, carpenter ants, termites and powderpost beetles. Yet I couldn’t help but notice what appeared to be carpenter bee holes. Upon closer observation they were in fact drilled out. I counted some 8 holes randomly located on the logs which had only laid out for 1.5 years. I also found carpenter ant activity as well as powderpost beetles. My point is simple; contrary to popular belief, carpenter bees will no doubt drill into oak and hickory if available and vulnerable. Yet do we see oak and hickory readily used for decking or other outside construction? Probably not as much as pine. So it only makes sense that we shouldn’t be seeing nearly as much of it infested with CARPENTER BEES and are therefore more likely to be falsely lead into thinking such woods aren’t vulnerable to their attack. This would be a grave mistake. And I think the same logic applies to IPE.

So in summary, I’m sure using a harder wood compared to pine is always going to prove to get less insect activity if a side by side comparison of the two were scientifically done. But would the less “insect attracting” wood validate it’s use (cost)? I’m not able to answer that question. Much like the question of “how much insurance should I get”, this is a personal choice and one only the homeowner themselves can make. I do know a good dose of Maxxthor or NBS Concentrate each spring when carpenter bees are most active will protect any species of wood and that such treatments are cheap compared to having to replace decks every few years due to insect damage. So if cost is the true unit of measure, it only stands to reason using the less costly wood but properly treating and protecting from year to year would be a better way to obtain the objective. And more importantly, building with IPE and then leaving it untreated and unprotected would be a poor recommendation under any condition if the goal is to prevent insect activity.

Here are direct links to the information and products mentioned in my response to your questions:

Maxxthor: bugspray.com/catalog/insecticide/liquid/maxxthor-ec

NBS Repellent:  https://bugspray.com/exempt/additive/nbs-paint-additive-16-oz

Carpenter Bee Control:  https://www.carpenterbees.com

Give us a call if you still have questions.

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Filed Under: WOOD DECK Tagged With: bee infestation, bees, carpenter bee, carpenter bees, insect repellent, IPE, iroke, professional woodworker

powder for carpenter bees

May 2, 2010 by admin

I need the powder that kills the carpenter bees – it was used once before on my deck by a exterminator.  Is this the same powder?  The “mother earth” powder?
Thank you.

We’ve got two powders that are commonly used by pest control companies. All will work well. The main one featured in our CARPENTER BEE CONTROL article is is the DEMISE DUST. It’s mostly silica gel with some pyrethrin and used to be the main powder used overall. But due to supply issues, Demise has been somewhat hard to get and it’s price has jumped up quite a bit. During this time two other dusts have become good substitutes and should perform almost as well.

The second one is XEMPT DUST. Mostly made of silica gel, Xempt is very close to Demise. The one main difference is in the lack of synergists which prevents Xempt from working as acutely compared to Demise. But overall residual should be similar if not the same and side by side, the average person wouldn’t notice much if any difference between the two.

When applied directly into the bee nests like we discuss in our article and what you probably had done some time ago on your deck, the dust will last a long time if it’s sealed up with our 1/2″ PLUGS. This will keep it active long enough to deal with hatching eggs which are always a risk in these nests.

Here are direct links to the information and products mentioned above:

Carpenter Bee Article:  https://www.carpenterbees.com

Demise:  bugspray.com/catalog/insecticide/dust/drione-demise-dust-6-oz

Xempt Dust:  bugspray.com/exempt/dust/pest-xempt-dust

Crusader Duster: bugspray.com/equipment/dusters/crusader

Corks:  https://bugspray.com/equipment/equipment-plugs/cork-12

Give us a call if you still have questions.

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Filed Under: BEST BEE PRODUCTS Tagged With: bees, bugspray, carpenter bee control, carpenter bees, carpenterbees, drione dust, earth powder, mothers earth, PLUGS

bumble bee issue around front porch

May 1, 2010 by admin

I’ve read a lot of info on the internet about bumblebees and the ones we are having trouble with aren’t nesting as the experts suggest.  They are hovering around the eve of our porch roof which means they are constantly very close to the door we come in and out of.  They are huge, and we’ve seen at least 3 adult size bumblebees.  When they come around each other they seem to fight and chase each other away.  The problem is we never see them land.  They will be there hovering all day, every day, as long as the weather is warm (spring through summer).  It’s crazy!  We’ve tried typical bee spray and that has no affect on them.  We can not see any sort of hive to treat.  We will try to find the Bee Freeze product you talked about because I think if we can get rid of these three large bumblebees, maybe we won’t have any more trouble.  We’ve been in this house for 11 years, and we’ve only had this issue for the past 2 summers.  What else can we do?  Do you have any advice?  I am concerned my children will get stung, or the bumblebees will come inside when someone enters, and I want to prevent either of these two things from happening.  Thank you in advance for your reply.  C.B.

I strongly suspect what you’re seeing are in fact carpenter bees and not bumble bees. If you take some time to read our CARPENTER BEE CONTROL ARTICLE, you’ll learn all about this species which is very different from bumble bees.

One thing you’ll learn in the article is the ones you’re seeing are most likely males waiting on females. I’m saying this because seeing them tumble fight in mid air is very common this time of year. To repel them, you’ll have to spray with either the MAXXTHOR EC or the INSECT REPELLENT. A good dose of either on the porch up around the eve where you mostly see them should repel them from the area.

Here are direct links for this information and products mentioned above:

Carpenter Bee Article:  www.carpenterbees.com

Maxxthor: bugspray.com/catalog/insecticide/liquid/maxxthor-ec

NBS Repellent: bugspray.com/exempt/additive/nbs-paint-additive-16-oz

Give us a call if you still have questions.

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Filed Under: BUMBLE BEES Tagged With: Bee Freeze, bumble bees, bumblebees, carpenter bee control, carpenter bees, carpenterbees, cypermethrin, insect repellent, porch roof

do birds feed on bees

May 1, 2010 by admin

I saw the Demise video and will use that product for a rather large Carpenter Bee problem on my deck.  I was wondering if attracting birds to the immediate area, via a bird feeder/house, would the birds “feed” on any new bees and possibly serve as a preventative measure?

The quick answer is no, birds won’t feed on bees. I’m sure there is a specie of bird somewhere that will but in general, it’s not accepted or even known about as occurring to any extent that would have a significant impact. Having kept bird feeders over many years in many regions of the United States, I can assure you I’ve seen no cases where the presence of birds detracted or effectively repelled bees or wasps. In fact, I’ve seen the two live side by side many times. I’ve owned bird houses that been invested with bees. I’ve also been called out to treat many bee and wasp nests which were in bird houses! That’s right, wasp and bee nests in bird houses! It always amazed me how close the two can live without either seeming to care about the other and in none of these cases did I see birds getting stung or birds eating the bees. To me I’d say it’s more of a “birds don’t much notice the bees” relationship and not a prey/predator effect like you’d think.

That means if you wish to repel carpenter bees from your property after treating with DEMISE DUST, you’ll need to employ either the MAXXTHOR EC or the INSECT REPELLENT sprays we have listed in our CARPENTER BEE ARTICLE. Both will work; the Maxxthor will be a true chemical they can’t stand and if they forage onto treated surfaces will in turn kill themselves. The Insect Repellent won’t kill anything but it does a decent job of repelling new insects like bees and wasps from coming around.

Here are direct links to the information and products mentioned above:

Demise:  https://bugspray.com/catalog/insecticide/dust/drione-demise-dust-6-oz

Crusader Duster: bugspray.com/equipment/dusters/crusader

Maxxthor: bugspray.com/catalog/insecticide/liquid/maxxthor-ec

NBS Repellent:  https://bugspray.com/exempt/additive/nbs-paint-additive-16-oz

Carpenter Bee Article:  https://www.carpenterbees.com

Give us a call if you still have questions.

Technical Support
1-800-877-7290

Filed Under: HOW TO PREVENT CARPENTER BEES Tagged With: attracting birds, bee nests, bees, bees and wasps, carpenter bee, carpenter bees, cypermethrin, wasp nests

bees under aluminum clad facia boards

April 25, 2010 by admin

We moved into our first house this past November. While outside recently–I noticed the carpenter bees flying around. I didn’t pay them much attention because they were not around the wood deck, but around the aluminum clad fascia boards..so I thought they were just doing the bee thing and let them be. THEN a few days later I noticed something on the vinyl siding in a few spots…..then I watched the bees…they hovered and eventually clinged on and crawled underneath.  I was not happy…I can only imagine how much damage has been done to the boards and in years past if they come back every year from what I’ve read.

My question is IF I spray with cypermenthrin and spray as well as I can over the clad and under the facsia boards, will that be enough since I cannot see under the boards to actually get to the holes, or is it too late?
Any other suggestions or do I need to call someone in with other equipment needed to convince them to leave??

Thanks for your time,
K.W.

If you read our CARPENTER BEE CONTROL ARTICLE, you’ll learn the DEMISE DUST is the best product to use on this pest. On the Demise Dust page there is a video which discusses all the benefits of Demise. In fact, around minute 8 of the video we aply some under cedar shakes and you’ll see the dust coming out way above where it was applied. This is due to it’s light and airy design. And this design makes it float around much like “smoke” which is needed for treating under siding. Because of this trait the Demise is perfect for getting up and into tight spaces like you’re describing.

For your situation, a quick dusting after hours will solve the problem. I’d wait till the evening, close to dark, when you know they’ll be in the nest. I’d then dust by squirting 3-5 times every foot into the cracks for 2-3 rows where you’ve seen activity. Even if any were to come out there is little chance of them stinging since the dust will be overwhelming them. I would expect any that did come out would just fall to the ground and die. The whole process could be done in less than 5 minutes.

Next, I would spray with the MAXXTHOR EC over the siding in this region as extra protection. But this would only serve to keep new ones away and won’t solve the current problem. For that you’ll need the Demise.

Here are direct links to the information and products mentioned above:

Carpenter Bee Control:  www.carpenterbees.com/carpenter-bee-control

Demise:  https://bugspray.com/catalog/insecticide/dust/drione-demise-dust-6-oz

Maxxthor: bugspray.com/catalog/insecticide/liquid/maxxthor-ec

Give us a call if you still have questions.

Technical Support
1-800-877-7290

Filed Under: UNDER SIDING Tagged With: bees, bugspray, carpenter bee control, carpenter bees, drione dust, facia boards, tight spaces, vinyl siding, wood deck

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